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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2011 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re:where do you see the divisions in 'eras' of the DEAD? Right here!

I understand you prefaced it with "personal", but the notion that the early eras can be lumped along the following lines simply doesn't stand up to any scrutiny (rather, you could've said "ignored era" or some such):

"1-Early Dead- beginning (Phil '59?) thru 69 'til Keith"

Not sure what the above means (69? Keith arrives fall, 1971?). But minimally, based on song selection, personnel, we have at least the following:

<1966: Beginnings (in this "era" we see bluegrass, jugband, "popish, electric garage band" transitions, leading to some coherence by 66; just think MMUTJband, Nov 65 studio, etc.). For one, personnel and the name are settled upon by the end of 65.

1966-1967: Pig dominated SF Dance Band (in this we see the mainstays of MidHr, HMToo, GMLSG, etc, + VLBlues and other exploratory jam tunes that really provide the backdrop for what happens in 68). Personnel are consistent.

1968-1969: Psych SF sound (the Anthem/LiveDEAD/Aox era reveals much development along the extended jam axis, and the addition of MHart/TC are critical shifts to allow this).

1970: Americana DEAD (continuation of the above, but with the "return to roots" aspect of acoustic sets, the writing and performing of Work/Beauty material is a major addition to the developing Jam Show material of 68-69). Personnel shifts, first, the departure of TC, and then Hart by early 71.

1971: Transitional DEAD (perhaps it's the merging of the "roots material" from Work/Beauty, and another shift in personnel, with the decline in Pig and arrival of Keith, but this yr stands apart from 68-70, and in relation to what follows 72-73).

"2-Pre-hiatus - '70 Keith -'72"

OK, I suspect the above division is paying homage to what I just described, but 'pre-hiatus' would be prior to 75?

"3-The amazing era- 1973 and 1974, with the couple of '75 shows thrown in. Stands out as the most creative, unpredictable, joyous, exploratory, etc.,etc. music the band ever produced. (Wall Of Sound!)"

OK, agree that after 71, with KG, and absence of Pig, they settle into a groove, and 72-75 is a reasonable "era" it seems to me.

"4-second half of the '70's up until KG and DJG walked"

Agree that post hiatus 70s was distinct from pre-hiatus.

Can't comment on the rest...

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jan 29, 2011 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:where do you see the divisions in 'eras' of the DEAD? Right here!

The amount of change and innovation and creativity in the middle-early years of the band never fails to stun me. Even within 68-69, would you agree that there are at least three distinct phases? To me, 68 sounds different from early 69, and early 69 sounds different from late 69, and I think the structure of the setlists shows these changes pretty clearly. In Phil Lesh's autobiography, which I think is the best account of the band's musical voyage, he spends almost as many pages on the first five years up to 1970 as he does on the remaining 25 years, and I think that is probably about the right proportion for describing the changes in the band's musical styles.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 29, 2011 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:where do you see the divisions in 'eras' of the DEAD? Right here!

>"1-Early Dead- beginning (Phil '59?) thru 69 'til Keith"

Not sure what the above means (69? Keith arrives fall, 1971?).


I think he means this. A really cool listen:

http://www.archive.org/details/phil1959-04-05.pitch.dehiss.upgrade.flac

But then you'd have to count from, say, Jerry getting an accordion for ... what, Christmas? Birthday? Sadly, a moment not on the archives.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 30, 2011 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:where do you see the divisions in 'eras' of the DEAD? Right here!

Oh, I knew the first, 59, but wasn't sure of the "69--Keith" biz all inclusive...? Perhaps it was just lumping them into one giant "era", which of course, I don't see.

But, as he noted, it's just IMHO and all that...

I think the Phil book comment above makes clear that the band saw the early yrs as much more varying/divergent than the latter...but, maybe each of those could be equally teased apart along the lines of "lbs of Jerry/drug of choice"?

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Jan 31, 2011 9:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Re:where do you see the divisions in 'eras' of the DEAD? Right here!

Thank you and I give it to you that you are much more familiar with those first 7-8 years. I'm still learning!